UK publishes draft conversion therapy ban with 'health care' exemption
No conversion therapy unless its done by the nhs 😉 couldn’t expect us to ban ourselves could you silly billys it simply must be regulated state conversion therapy with dignity and respect and a fat palantir contract
Cal Horton (they/them)971) It is confirmation that they KNOW the NHS is doing conversion practice - They haven't even tried to pretend what they are doing in the NHS is not a conversion practice. 2) Anyone celebrating this is no ally to trans kids
Andrew McGrae11It’s not even that, a health care provider is basically defined as anyone who calls the thing they provide healthcare.
Sam Turner7Putting my money down now: the first conviction under this legislation will be against a group -supporting- trans people. The scope is so fuzzy that words even explaining the concept of transition could be over interpreted as conversion.
Kristine Nicole5It feels like an American bill where you name your bill the opposite of what you intend it to do, like the Patriot Act.
rei2oi oi you got a loicence to be shocking someone's genitals mate
So why do I say that it fails in reality to protect trans people in the same way as it protects lesbian and gay people? Because it has become entirely orthodox for NHS England to engage in "abusive conversion therapy" (as defined in the bill) for trans but for not gay or lesbian people.
Jolyon Maugham KC214And given that is what regulated professionals do in plain sight courts are likely to give even greater latitude to unregulated professionals - noting the broad description of healthcare services in the bill.
Quarter to Worm 🏳️⚧️11So, like when the ‘Minimum Wage’ became the ‘Living Wage’ the legislation will be something the Government can point to and say, “Look! We already gave you what you asked for,” because they changed the meaning of the terminology to make them look good without changing anything about the reality.
uphill gardner 🇪🇺 🏳️🌈 🏳️⚧️3Doesn't it fail everyone? Given that the definition of healthcare is so broad?
🙄 LABOUR IS NOT BANNING LGBT CONVERSION THERAPY. TRANS CONVERSION THERAPY IS LABOUR PARTY POLICY.
NevereverDave.bsky.social9This ⬇️ would mean they were sincere but; it would smash seven decades + of #UK anti trans mendacity. Habitually that's seemingly too impossible to contemplate for the Palace of Westminster - increasingly the key barrier to any real honesty & political decency for #Britain. bsky.app/profile/helr...
Saphicarus7It's shit like this that makes it unbelievably exhausting trying to talk anything about trans rights with my cis friends. They just don't see any of the shit happening to us unless I specifically spell it all out for them and lately I'm just fucking over doing that.
Lena Midnight2They should jail and fine themselves under the new plan to prove they take this seriously
It looks like we have three criteria, six factors “ban” on conversion therapy. Sorry, mate, I’m too experienced as a policy lawyer to fall for this. It isn’t an effective ban; it’s a conversion charter.
Lyra 💕14Time for the smell test let's see how mad gender criticals get about it and if they get mad. We can read this law and know it's bad but they have the inside track to know the real 'intent' of the law and I think the intent of this is to protect Cass by allowing to set a poor standard of care
Ashleeee 🌊🪭14I already spotted many issues most friends won't be able to spot. (beaming like the Cheshire Cat)
Jordan11For the non-lawyers, it's an manual on how to A) Legally continue conversion practices, B) Deny healthcare to trans people. Around 10% of the questions for a Gender Dysphoria diagnosis, the required step for a GRC and the precursor for HRT, are of a sexual nature.
Jake5From my amateur perspective, you have to both show it's a conversion practice *and* abuse. The healthcare exceptions kills off the first branch in a lot of cases (NHS & private clinics) before considering the second.
Holly Brigstocke4If this bill doesn't put the NHS in jail for gatekeeping and harmfully long waiting lists it's not a conversion therapy bill.
Luna🏳️⚧️2Do you think anyone would get convicted of this in the next 5 years (for sexual or gender identity) realistically.
To no ones suprise the draft bill on conversion therapy excludes the NHS. We know the NHS subjects kids to endless talk therapy. When you build a law with loopholes like this it becomes impossible to truly enforce. I wonder what trans orgs were in the room to draft this, I bet none- just stonewall
Lyra 💕36We need a solid outline here for what counts as "far below" the standard of care, as I understand it the NHS would be marking their own homework on this and setting the standard to apply to all areas. If that then this seems far more likely to ban affirming care than endless speech therapy abuse
Holly Brigstocke7NHS gender psychs stayed out of GRA discussions claiming that would have been "political" when we all know they didn't care and it was jobs for the boys. If the NHS had genuine expertise and no abuse scandals to hide they would be challenging the loopholes in the conversion therapy ban bill.
NevereverDave.bsky.social3Platinum standard here! Enact that simple wording & leave it for criminal practitioners to pay heavily to defend themselves. It should be deterrent enough I hope, to self cauterise the practice. #Starmer & #Streeting in hock to lobbyists. www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v4... bsky.app/profile/helr...
Hot Take -The UK LGBT+ sector is weak, ineffective & a large part of the reason why we are in this mess. Self congratulatory, ineffectual & compromised -they welcomed the Cass report & Conversion therapy charter with glee vs total resignation on segregation. Rearranging deckchairs on the Titanic.
Elizabeth Taylor20Just flagging TransActual’s excellent response here bsky.app/profile/tran...
NevereverDave.bsky.social10Yep complacency did set in, core funding got siphoned off to other headings, wee, volunteer led charities collapsed for want of say £15k per annum but thriving & socialising is very definitely at the core of those that remain. Precarity is an ever present factor on raising heads above the trenches.
Holly Brigstocke7All true that, sadly. Needs a much more punchy professionalism to push things forward as well as being aware of information warfare and the fact they need much more expert marketing.
Dr Robert Bohan6In Ireland we discovered that the ppl who ran our ‘independent’ yet govt funded orgs were all political apparatchiks, when it cut to the chase. We had a ref on whether to remove independence from ppl with disabilities - all 4 charities said vote yes! Fortunately we ignore the charities anyway & won.
Cindy Michels 🇺🇲🇪🇺🇨🇦5Let's have yet another award ceremony and pat ourselves on the back 🙄
it's she coolcab3it's not at all a hot take. even the cultural heroes of the movement are awful and always have been; there's a reason christopher eccleson hated RTD loooooong before he put together soft terf propaganda. it turns out being gay doesn't make you immune to being a british posho cunt, lol.
Lady Aranea2These NGOs and non profits are always easily captured by monied interests.
